There have been calls for the sacking of the chancellor of British Columbia's Thompson Rivers University, Nancy Green Raine, after she suggested on a Canadian breakfast show last week that:
"In science, there's almost never black and white. We don't know what next week's weather is going to be. To say in 50 or 100 years, the temperature is going to do this, is a bit of a stretch for me."*
A Canadian government meteorologist joined the public attack, questioned why Greene Raine would offer comment about something on which she is not versed. He noted that no one comes to him for advice on skiing.
Chancellor Nancy Green Raine was once an Olympic skiing champion.
We are expected to be concerned about climate change, and to do so something about climate change, but not expected to make up our own minds on the issue!
Now here's something worth worrying about at youtube.com:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNzWfguDjZU
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* from The Wall Street Journal, 13 December 2006
Ian you great tosser - stop raving and tell us your plans for covering the Pacific with kitchen foil! Reveal yourself.
I agree - we should measure the albedo - but I don't make the rules the AGO do - and I've told you my opinion on them ! Don't think that because I've previously explained their processes to you is also an endorsement of same.
OK - you want to talk albedo - forestry is BAD for albedo.
Are trees bad for greenhouse?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6184577.stm
Next time try prefacing your marks with "hello".
Here we go again, as Luke extrapolates to extremes to find any excuse to avoid considering any solution that has not already been sanctioned by Village Idiot League HQ.
And what a classic propagandista. You have ducked for cover on every attempt by myself to discuss the lack of measurement of changes in albedo and now have the gall to claim that it was me that was avoiding the issue. What a shonk.
So lets talk about it, Luke. If it is OK to measure the amount of carbon induced warming that is likely from land clearing, how come we don't measure the amount of induced cooling from increased albedo from the same clearing?
OK - so how are you going to deploy "the shield" during "the day" over the ocean with what technology. No worries about stopping the food chain or disrupting the atmospheric circulation systems? Ian creates a super-tornado.
So let me get this right - you can fly a kite on a bizzare techno fix and demand respect yet if we discuss albedo from the literature and you don't like it.. .. .. . You you you agrarian supremacist you. Fiddle sticks.
No, Luke, I just wanted you to be on record as poo pooing the idea without giving it any thought. You came in right on schedule.
I'll assume this is an attempt at humour.
I am waiting on the relevant numbers but my strong suspicion is that the warming effect of an extra 200ppmv of an invisible gas called atmospheric CO2 could be more than adequately off-set by a modest investment in highly reflective material placed over the cloudless regions of tropical oceans.
These oceans currently absorb 96.5% of insolation so the emplacement of a highly reflective material during day time is likely to be far more effective than piddling about with adjustments to the composition of clouds (which are not present in the high pressure belt anyway).
This would shift the ocean albedo level from 3.5% up to that of snow (60 - 90%) but put it in the latitudes of maximum insolation and thereby maximise the cooling effect.
The question is one of basic economics. If a carbon tax is $36US/tonne then it works out at $10US/tonne of CO2. The question then becomes one of how much cooling one can get from $10US worth of annual interest on reflective membrane and its infrastructure.
Clearly, there has not been enough thought on engineered solutions, especially when the engineered solution can off-set the impact of a number of years CO2 emissions.
But of course, Luke wont find any of this on his officially sanctioned list of sites and would be too busy sneering to even look at the numbers.
"SouthPark is totally irreverant". Did Lukie-wookie mean that..or did he mean irrelevant?
Here´s the real McCoy ;op
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNpqEBz3SAM&mode=related&search=
And as usual, Pinxi cherry picked her data .. ;op
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWtzxqrjPho&mode=related&search=
as usual, Jennifer only told half the cock n bull story. See the rest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-z-P-j_-wE