Someone please help me out here. Everyone is yelling about fixing the "climate crisis", but I still can't find it - the crisis, that is.
There appears to be no significant change in either the frequency or intensity of hurricanes and in fact the last two seasons have been pretty quiet. Katrina hit land as a pretty standard CAT 3 and hurricane intensity isn't measured by the measure of property damage at any rate.
Global "temperatures" appear to be dropping ( if that term has any meaning at any rate ) and the solar scientists are complaining about a quiet sun which is starting to show many of the same characteristics as the Maunder Minimum, which led to the "little ice age". Well, that's a crisis, I suppose, but not the same color as the present one.
Sea levels continue to rise a minuscule amount each year as they have since the last ice age when sea level was perhaps 400 feet lower than it is today. I just can't see New York under water anytime in the 21st century at the present observed rates which don't seem to be changing.
Even the oceans seems to be cooling a bit based on data from the new diving buoy system, but perhaps NOAA is cooking the data and we can't trust them any more than we can trust NASA anymore.
The Antarctic Ice Pack continues to grow and is now larger than ever in the 30+ years we've been able to take highly accurate radar altimeter measurements. The Arctic Ice continues to expand and shrink annually as it seems inclined to do, and we note some pretty good sized volcanoes have recently been discovered on the Arctic Ocean floor which might be helping the shrinking part a bit.
Polar bear populations are at near record levels and seem healthy, and even I have seen them playing around on floating ice chunks in the Arctic summer. They are a terrestrial animal, after all, as anyone can see who visits the Churchill area in the summer and takes a polar bear cruise on one of their giant bear-proof buses.
Droughts and floods seem to be more strongly correlated with changes in ENSO and his friends than with a one degree temperature rise over the span of a hundred years, but maybe I'm missing something.
When I wrote the WE Campaign suggesting they take a closer look at things before falling off the turnip truck I immediately started receiving email bulletins from them referring to me as a "fellow campaigner", so I guess I now know how they grew to be a "million strong".
So, while hordes of folks continually call for Weapons of Mass Taxation to be hauled out to fight the "climate crisis", I still can't seem to find the crisis anywhere and note that the likely beneficiaries of carbon taxes and such will be the folks tolling the alarm.
As I said at the beginning: I'm having trouble locating the crisis, so I'm hoping some of the many experts here on this forum can give me a little guidance.
Jim Peden
Middlebury,
Vermont, USA
This comment posted by Jim Peden in this thread at popular blog realclimate.org was disallowed. I tend to think it is the alarmist scientists that are really in denial?
Jim Peden is Webmaster of Middlebury Networks and Editor of the Middlebury Community Network, spent some of his earlier years as an Atmospheric Physicist at the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh and Extranuclear Laboratories in Blawnox, Pennsylvania, studying ion-molecule reactions in the upper atmosphere. As a student, he was elected to both the National Physics Honor Society and the National Mathematics Honor Fraternity, and was President of the Student Section of the American Institute of Physics. He was a founding member of the American Society for Mass Spectrometry, and a member of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. His thesis on charge transfer reactions in the upper atmosphere was co-published in part in the prestigious Journal of Chemical Physics. The results obtained by himself and his colleagues at the University of Pittsburgh remain today as the gold standard in the AstroChemistry Database. He was a co-developer of the Modulated Beam Quadrupole Mass Spectrometer, declared one of the "100 Most Significant Technical Developments of the Year" and displayed at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.
Guys,
Jim Peden's question has still not been answered by Luke, Ender, Libby etc - where's the climate crisis?
Thye have to be able to point to scientifically verifiable data (not computer models) which show that the CO2 generated by mankind in the last 40+ years is responsible for the slight warming and not some other factor.
If they can do this we'll then have the basis to have a sensible debate about what actions, if any, we need to take.
Until then the bulk of AGW alarmism is just that!!
Like your analogy Luke but you got it wrong! It's more like you saying the reason the oil refinery went up is becuase it wasn't snowing that day! That would have stopped it for sure!
What a bozo!
Robertson rants and then engages in trollseque behaviour himself. Fancy defending Singer - says it all.
Mark go and read the article again SLOWLY and COMPREHENSIVELY and the other material written on the subject - and stop being too stupid for words. If you don't think there is at least a plausible reason to be concerned about temperature involvement well your decision matey. I can see Mark discussing the burning oil refinery - well it could have gone up anyway. Was waiting to happen with our without the match. Sheesh...
You would learn in entomology 101 that insects are essentially poikilotherms. Go figure.
Travis belched...Welcome to the hypocritical idiots club Gordon. I see you fit right in.
I have a much lower opinion of myself, that can't be expressed here due to the language, so your shot, if that's what it was, is taken as a compliment. If I have to be regarded as a hypocritical idiot to oppose this hysterical, religious-based zealotry that is passed out in the guise of controlling CO2 to save the planet, then I'm happy to serve as such.
I wonder if people who believe the activists have imagined freezing in the dark? They'll learn about it pretty quickly if the activists have their way, only they wont be freezing or in the dark. Al Gore buys carbon credits from a company he owns and feels he is exempt from the suffering he and his activists expect the rest of us to endure.
Thanks, but no thanks. Until there's a cleaner substitute for oil and coal, I'll endure the CO2, and I'm confident no harm will come of it.
Someone made a flippant remark here about Fred Singer and his abilities. Check this:
Dr. S. Fred Singer is Research Fellow at the Independent Institute, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia
-a Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science,
-a Member of the International Academy of Astronautics.
He received his Ph.D. in physics from Princeton University with an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering, one of the toughest degrees to earn at a university.
Dr. Singer has served as:
-Vice Chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmospheres;
-Chief Scientist for the U. S. Department of Transportation;
-Deputy Assistant Administrator at the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency;
-Deputy Assistant Secretary at the U. S. Department of the Interior;
-Dean of the School of Environmental and Planetary Sciences, University of Miami;
-(First) Director of the U. S. Weather Satellite Center;
-Director of the Center for Atmospheric and Space Physics, University of Maryland;
-Research Physicist, Upper Atmospheric Rocket Program, Johns Hopkins University.
He has also been a visiting scholar at:
-the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars;
-Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
-California Institute of Technology;
-National Air and Space Museum;
-Lyndon Baines Johnson School for Public Affairs, University of Texas;
-the Soviet Academy of Sciences Institute for Physics of the Earth.
He is the recipient of the White House Special Commendation, Gold Medal Award from the U.S. Department of Commerce
-(First) Science Award from the British Interplanetary Society,
-Honorary Doctorate from Ohio State University.
Dr. Singer is:
-the author or editor of fourteen books on climate science, energy, and environmental issues
-the author of over 400 articles in scientific and public policy journals
-over 200 articles in popular publications,
Dr. Singer has been featured in articles in Time, Life, and U. S. News & World Report, and he has been interviewed on Nightline, Today Show, News Hour, Nightwatch, and other national and international television programs.
Singer is the focus of fruitcake blog sites like desmogblog, realclimate and exxonsecrets. William Connolly of realclimate, a computer programmer, talks down his nose at him, as if he understand a fraction about the climate compared to Singer.
I just noticed that desmogblog received a letter from Singer urging them to withdraw inferences that he is funded by the tobacco industry. Of course, desmogblog is run by James Hoggan, a public relations man who sits on the board of the David Suzuki Foundation. Hoggan appeared on a Canadian television documentary (CBC - Fifth Estate) called The Denial Machine, which was nothing more than a witchhunt to discredit Singer and Canadian climate scientist Tim Ball.
Last time someone libeled Singer, he lost. It was Al Gore, and you can read about it here:
http://media.hoover.org/documents/0817939326_283.pdf
It explains the story of Professor Roger Revelle who is regarded in some circles as the father of modern greenhouse effect theory. Revelle taught Gore at Harvard, but Gore seems to have gotten the principles backwards. The story also reveals how Gore tried to get Ted Koppel of US television to discredit skeptics.
Finally, here's an interesting link featuring Singer from the year 2000 which explains the skeptics view rather well:
http://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=1938
>My daughter's pet rat has a boil on its ass
Maybe it's because her daddy doesn't know the basics of how to look after it. Do you know where it's ass is?
>Happy trolling.
Welcome to the hypocritical idiots club Gordon. I see you fit right in.
SJT said, as he/she pulled out his/her hair...For gods sake, they've photographs of the little buggers now. Is that enough proof?
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Easy now, there's an explanation. For one, you're referencing Encarta, Microsoft's propaganda outlet. Bill Gates is till trying to give his money away for an HIV vaccine for Africans rather than giving them clean water and food. I imagine, to him, giving them free water and food would be some kind of communism, whereas giving them a vaccine that doesn't work is noble.
In the link I gave you before, there's a FAQ, and it covers photos published on the net about HIV. Here's the link to that FAQ page:
http://www.theperthgroup.com/FAQ/question3.html
The thing I like about Eleni Papadoupolis is that she doesn't rave. She just gives you the scientific facts, and she does it with a clarity that a layman can understand. Yet, she can't get published in scientific journals. John Christy is claiming the same thing in the global warming debate, which doesn't surprise me since mathematicians like Gavin Schmidt work for those journals and computer programmers like William Connolly are editors at Wikipedia.
So what does Eleni say about all this? First, she points you to a link from the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:
http://www.virology.net/Big_Virology/BVretro.html
If you look at those pictures of HIV, they look nothing like the one you linked to at Encarta, so who's fooling who? The photos that do appear on Eleni's link are pathetic, but none moreso than the Encarta photo.
Why do they need diagrams and computer graphics models along with the pictures? It's obvious isn't it? The photos are bogus. If there were legitimate photos of the virus, there would be no need for drawings.
As Eleni points out, none identify the source or nature of the material photographed and none have a size bar. She claims further, "From the scientific point of view this is both highly unprofessional and unsatisfactory because the dimension of particles is critical to taxonomy".
Doh!! A professional outfit posts pictures of HIV that are small and blurry, and they don't give a reference size bar to measure them. Furthermore, they say nothing about the cell culture or the background material. In other words, they say that is HIV and everyone has to take their word for it. For all we know, we could be looking at pictures of mouse crap.
Further on, she says this: "3. In no HIV "infected" cultures to date are there particles which fulfil the Gelderblom definition. That is, that display both principle morphological characteristics of retroviruses, that is "a diameter of 100-120nm" AND surfaces which "are studded with projections (spikes, knobs)".
If someone is going to post a picture of an HIV virus, it requires a size scale to show it is between 100 and 120nm (nanometres). It also must have studded projections. Do you see anything like that in the Encarta picture or on the other site?
I have seen those pictures before and I'm wondering what kind of desperation produced them. If you think I'm a skeptic on that one, wait till you see this one. 'ALL' retroviruses are in question. According to Stefan Lanka, a bad assumption was made along the way and too readily accepted by the scientific community. The retrovirus was introduced and he feels that was an error. Read it yourself:
http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
Here's Lanka on Bird Flu:
http://www.gnn.tv/A02138
Please note that Lanka is not suggesting no viruses exist, he discovered the first virus that lives in the ocean. He's talking about retroviruses only.
Lanka is saying their is cell material in the photos where the so-called virus exists and nothing has been isolated. The photo should be of the virus itself, not of the cell culture it lives in. That's a no-no, according to the Louis Pasteur Institute which sets the standards for virus isolation. The Pasteur Institute guidelines were completely ignored by Robert Gallo when he claimed to have discovered HIV. Even Luc Montagnier admitted he did not isolate or purefy the HIV.
HIV has neither been isolated nor purefied to date. In fact, no one has ever seen it other than as grainy possibilities in photos. Not only that, in the immune systems of people with full-blown AIDS, the HIV cells that are said to be there, are vastly outnumbered by immune cells (about 800 to 1). In other words, the immune system is still doing its job with respect to those cells, whatever they are.
If they know what the virus looks like, and other pertinent information, why are they finding it impossible to develop a vaccine? Also, why are people still dying from AIDS 25 years after the so-called virus was found?
If you took the time to read the skeptics on HIV/AIDS, you would not believe the ridiculous assumptions made by the pushers of the theory. For one, HIV is the only known virus that can hide away for 15 years then come to life and kill you. Any other virus affects you within 48 hours, goes through a phase, and ends.
For another, HIV is the only virus that can affect males without infecting females. That was the case for the longest time in North America, where 66% of all AIDS deaths were male homosexuals. The only women affected were those who were IV drug users, and they were a minority. What the WHO are calling AIDS in Africa and elsewhere is not AIDS.
Tuberculosis is defined as an AIDS opportunistic infection if HIV is present. If it's not, it's tuberculosis and it treated traditionally. If HIV is present, the victim is pumped full of AZT. a cell-destroyer that kills the entire body. That's madness. The inventor of the newest antiviral drugs, protease inhibitors, claimed he wouldn't put them in his body.
Possibly the most damning evidence against the theory is that people who are diagnosed with HIV, and refuse treatment, never die. Of course, if they have full-blown AIDS, they die, but HIV is not AIDS. Magic Johnson, the US basketball player is alive 15 years after being diagnosed, and he is very healthy. Another lady in the US, who was given 5 years to live, and is still alive 15 years later, is suing the HIV testing companies.
This is not something to argue about. If you care about people diagnosed with HIV, learn all you can. There's good evidence that we are witnessing a form of medical genocide that Peter Duesberg has called 'Aids by prescription'. It's becoming apparent that people are dying from the drugs adminstered to kill HIV and not from the mysterious virus.
Even if that becomes apparent, it's going to take a lot to stop the HIV/AIDS monster. There are billions of dollars involved, not to mention egos. That's why I'm deeply concerned about the global warming hysteria. It needs to be stopped.
"Christ! Looks like the climate Nazis are working on creating little climate Hitler youth in Luke's image:"
Mark - Ender has volunteered to look after the organisation of the Brownshirts. Luke will make cameo appearances to rant when required.
Luke...from an online dictionary...
troll
Noun
a person who posts deliberately inflammatory messages on an internet discussion board
Verb
to post such a message
Happy trolling.
Christ! Looks like the climate Nazis are working on creating little climate Hitler youth in Luke's image:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/hey-kids-be-a-climate-cop-rat-on-your-family-friends-and-classmates/
And on the beetles, this is your own f*cking quote in your immediate post above:
"But the forests are in a state where we'd have this kind of epidemic probably with or without these temperatures," he said.
Yep that's what he said. What words DON'T you understand? Speaka da Engish? Stop trying to blame things on global warming when that's not the primary factor. My daughter's pet rat has a boil on its ass - is that from global warming too Luke?