From ABC News:
New northern ice age could send refugees to Aust
A new study from the Australian National University (ANU) has found that this country may not be as severely affected by a new ice age as countries in the Northern Hemisphere.
ANU paleoclimatologist Timothy Barrows and his fellow researchers used a new dating technique that measures the radioactive elements in some rocks.
Dr Barrows explains that Europe is at risk of a new ice age as a result of global warming.
"There are some fears that warming in the Northern Hemisphere, particularly around the Greenland ice sheet, might cause quite a bit of meltwater to come into the North Atlantic Ocean," he said.
Read the whole article.
It depends what you understand by the thermohaline doesn't it. What do you think it means James.
Well you see James it depends on what I've been saying all along doesn't it. You assume a lot. Go back and read carefully ! Someone has to educate you numb nuts.
I don't understand you fellas humoring Luke and his RC link. The abrupt climate change ocean observatory data makes Moc a moot point.
These chuckleheads based their theories on a couple boat rides in the gulf stream. Full time bouys proved that the Moc varys wildly on a day to day basis but that the amplitude stays constant over time. And this is the same Gavin who patted himself on the back for whispering into his hand "bull skat", as his fellow climate change travellers preached the thermohaline turnover method.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/category/climate-science/oceans/
But it's good to see Luke doing the hard research to dig out that lost nugget proving that Doc Gavin is of two minds on the subject.
That way when the real data comes in Gavin can point out to his syncophant how he's "not even wrong".
You moved from a previously immovable position ! If you move once you can move again.
But you see in all this you've never bothered to ask me whether I think it's likely anytime soon.
I guess you probably agree with your mate Wunschy that fresh water is the 'deus ex machina' of climate change. We'll see. Watch that MOC !
I accept that a slow down has taken place in the past. But I do not accept that a phenomena that takes place during a period of glaciation is likely to be replicated at the top of an interglacial warm period.
Are you so short of victories that a simple concession of fact must be gloated over as if it were vindication of your essentially bogus argument? Chalk and cheese.
Congratulations, Luke.
Ah - so we've now come from the MOC cannot possibly slow down to "weeeell maybe it has".
The key word in your quotes above is "concurrent". These overturnings are responses to climate change, not drivers of climate change.
They also relate to periods of relative warming that took place when the UK was still mostly covered in ice (17500 years ago).
This line of argument, that all this has taken place before therefore it could take place again is bogus. The circumstances now are very much different to those of the past. Is that such a hard issue to comprehend?