The price of meat, milk and other British farm products will have to rise to reflect the environmental cost of producing them, a government study has concluded.
A Cabinet Office review of food policy suggests that farmers and consumers should pay extra for farm goods that generate large amounts of greenhouse gases such as methane and nitrous oxide.
The proposal, the latest in a string of "green" plans that threaten to increase the cost of living, drew accusations that ministers were imposing taxes and regulations in the name of environmental policy.
....The Department for Business and Enterprise's new renewable energy strategy warned last month that household electricity bills could rise by 13 per cent and gas by 37 per cent to subsidise green energy sources, and
ministers remain under pressure to raise road taxes in an effort to cut emissions.
Telegraph.co.uk: 'Meat and milk prices will rise to reflect environmental costs'
I suspect this might stop them
"How warming really happens is actually quite simple
Email from Jim Peden:
As a dissenting physicist, I simply can no longer buy the notion that CO2 produces any significant warming of the atmosphere at any rate. I've studied the atomic absorption physics to death, from John Nicol's extensive development to the much longer winded dissertation by Gerlich & Tscheuschner and everything in between, it simply doesn't add up. Even if every single IR photon absorbed by a CO2 molecule were magically transformed into purely thermal translational modes , the pitifully small quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere doesn't add up to much additional heat. And if the aforementioned magical 100% transformation from radiation into "heat" were true, then all arguments concerning re-emission ( source of all the wonderful "greenhouse effect" cartoons with their arrows flying in all directions ) are out the window.
More and more, I am becoming convinced that atmospheric heating is primarily by thermal conduction from the surface, whose temperature is determined primarily by solar absorption. I get a lot of email from laymen seeking simple answers ( I'm sure you all do as well ). My simple reply goes like this:
1. The sun heats the earth.
2. The earth heats the atmosphere
3. After the sun sets, the atmosphere cools back down
With a parting comment: "If we were to have 96 continuous hours without sunlight, temperatures would likely be below freezing over all the world's land masses. The warmest place you could find would be to take a swim in the nearest ocean. There is no physical process in the atmosphere which "traps" heat. The so-called "greenhouse effect " is a myth."
Ender and Medusa and your mates - focus on the last paragraph and come up with the physics behind gases trapping heat in the atmosphere. Like I always said, there is no such thing as a greenhouse gas.
Thanks to John Ray.
Wes, as an old campaigner, I see another idealist champing on the bit.
Redwoods?
>It's an affliction worthy of handicap status, so stop picking on the handicapped. You should be ashamed.
Bruce Cobb you are a model citizen of this blog! Mr Biggs and his flock would be very proud of you and can only aspire to achieve such standards in the dis'ing of people with disabilities.
It seems that drooling pablum-gobbling are the only words that Bruce Knob knows. All he ever says. Spat on as a child? Is a child? Or perhaps afflicted by one of those mental disorders above. Maybe all of these. A sad case of expectorophilia.
All, I think you need to cut Pukey Luke some slack. He can't help being a drooling pablum-gobbling AGCC hysterical goober. It's an affliction worthy of handicap status, so stop picking on the handicapped. You should be ashamed.
Well it's either chaotic or it isn't ? If the chaos is bounded it doesn't matter. Can't have it both ways. You really have no idea. You're pig ignorant about all of this. A veritable ignoramus. So stop being boring Louis and talking out of your bum.
"you english comphrension is not good" hahahahahaha - what a clown.
Luke,
It's a non-linear chaotic system, quite different to stating climate is chaotic.
As I wrote above, you english comphrension is not good.
You have on many occasions. LOL.
Luke
Who said climate was chaotic? Not I and another instance of poor comprehension on your part.
Even more silly comeback - the Earth's climate isn't chaotic - does it suddenly dart off in a chaotic manner - no. Any chaos is bounded.
Indeed chaos modelling is big business.
Louis denys that forecasters can forecast the weather with proven skill. Skill being a mathematical expression.
Off you go now. Toddle off.