This is a very good post from Willis Eschenbach exposing the pig ignorant stupidity of increasing energy prices because of imagined CAGW. Of course the poor suffer the most.
Thanks for that John. His points on the methane coming from the early Artesian basin and his description of the under-ocean earth's crust make you think. The thinness and flexibility of that crust will always interfere with SLR predictions. As he says, knowing that models can't quantify all these unknowns makes their predictions foolish. The physics of abiotic water is a bit beyond me but I'm happy to accept the possibility. As JW says Louis was into the theory of the electric dynamic universe.
John,
there are many others proposing the same thing and extending the theory further to oil and more.
Don't have the links at my fingertips at the moment but if you are interested it is well worth the time investigating.
There was an infrequent poster here Louis Hissink I think who knew more about it.
Anyway it's a fascinating idea and quite plausible, I always regarded the water on earth being derived from crashing ice asteroids as some suggested, as SF.
He proposed that water is created within the mantle and our underground aquifers are fed from below, not from water seeping down from above ground. The hot water coming up through submarine vents are also coming from the mantle thus adding to the amount of sea water.
Posted this before and made a mistake in my email addy so it went into moderation, if Jennifer is away it it's unlikely to appear so here it goes again, slightly modified to get around the "duplicate post" error.
Gavin said,
"Two thoughts for starters, Gaia was the form that gave us endless opportunity and SD’s tide mark was made in a vacuum.
JW; great watching your gradual appreciation of raw nature. No system was ever perfect at any instant and time is the unifying factor"
Gavin, may I ask why you make assumptions about people you don’t know anything about, never met and unlikely to do so?
I’m coming from a farming family and worked on our farm till I was 18 and occasionally helping out after, till it was sold.
Anyone living or working on the land and want to be successful at it, needs to be in tune with nature. Know its gamut of offerings, its bounty and caprice expect the drought and floods.
Working against nature makes you undone sooner or later.
You like anecdotes Gavin, here is one for you, in the seventies we had some bumper seasons, plenty of rain and warm weather.
I kid you not, the grass was so tall you could only see the top half of cattle grazing. Some had cut hay twice.
Anyway we had a neighbour who bought a 1000 acres next us. He doubled his stock and boasted about it.
A year later he spent his days for weeks on end driving his cows up and down the long paddock trying to save them from starving.
He virtually could not give them away, there was a long waiting list at the abattoirs. Not working with and appreciating nature does that to you.
One does not have work the land though, you can live on the top floor of a high rise in the centre of a city and still be more appreciative and knowledgeable of nature and its beauty than some greeny zealots, who never even have a chance to piss against a tree trunk, living their entire existence talking about saving nature but never visiting.
An other thing Gavin, stop referring to Gaia as some living caring being. You almost worshipping it.
Don’t know if you are a religious man but I tell you if you feel the need in your life for faith you would do better joining one of the old time religions.
Some even have pomp and ceremony, most have nice social gatherings, you’d enjoy that Gavin, and all you have to do is what you are doing now, have faith and believe!
Or if you don’t want real religion you can join the Uniting church, God doesn’t play a major role in their lives, they hardly acknowledge and seldom mention Christ and they firmly believe in AGW too. Would suit you right down to the ground.
But what ever you do Gavin, stop assuming that you are the only one knowing about and loving nature.
An other thing while I’m at it, I absolutely hate and am sick of hearing the word “unprecedented” describing any climatic event.
We have documented records for events worse than the current one and it’s still described as such.
Lets face it we have what, 500 years of reliable records if that?
And yet we have the nerve call any storm bush fire or other natural disaster as unprecedented.
This is a very good post from Willis Eschenbach exposing the pig ignorant stupidity of increasing energy prices because of imagined CAGW. Of course the poor suffer the most.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/13/we-have-met-the-1-and-he-is-us/#more-77397
BTW the ABC am program will be running a horror show this week about the future for OZ because of CAGW.
Today's BS was on SLR and I'll link to it when it's available.
Gavin,
this should be required reading to all greenies objecting to fuel reduction burning.
http://catallaxyfiles.com/
thread "Now is not the time"
Thanks for that John. His points on the methane coming from the early Artesian basin and his description of the under-ocean earth's crust make you think. The thinness and flexibility of that crust will always interfere with SLR predictions. As he says, knowing that models can't quantify all these unknowns makes their predictions foolish. The physics of abiotic water is a bit beyond me but I'm happy to accept the possibility. As JW says Louis was into the theory of the electric dynamic universe.
John,
there are many others proposing the same thing and extending the theory further to oil and more.
Don't have the links at my fingertips at the moment but if you are interested it is well worth the time investigating.
There was an infrequent poster here Louis Hissink I think who knew more about it.
Anyway it's a fascinating idea and quite plausible, I always regarded the water on earth being derived from crashing ice asteroids as some suggested, as SF.
SD - I always remember and interview Philip Adams had with Lance Endersbee back in 2006 where he proposed his theory of abiotic water.
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2006/12/lnl_20061211.mp3
He proposed that water is created within the mantle and our underground aquifers are fed from below, not from water seeping down from above ground. The hot water coming up through submarine vents are also coming from the mantle thus adding to the amount of sea water.
Well worth a listen.
Posted this before and made a mistake in my email addy so it went into moderation, if Jennifer is away it it's unlikely to appear so here it goes again, slightly modified to get around the "duplicate post" error.
Gavin said,
"Two thoughts for starters, Gaia was the form that gave us endless opportunity and SD’s tide mark was made in a vacuum.
JW; great watching your gradual appreciation of raw nature. No system was ever perfect at any instant and time is the unifying factor"
Gavin, may I ask why you make assumptions about people you don’t know anything about, never met and unlikely to do so?
I’m coming from a farming family and worked on our farm till I was 18 and occasionally helping out after, till it was sold.
Anyone living or working on the land and want to be successful at it, needs to be in tune with nature. Know its gamut of offerings, its bounty and caprice expect the drought and floods.
Working against nature makes you undone sooner or later.
You like anecdotes Gavin, here is one for you, in the seventies we had some bumper seasons, plenty of rain and warm weather.
I kid you not, the grass was so tall you could only see the top half of cattle grazing. Some had cut hay twice.
Anyway we had a neighbour who bought a 1000 acres next us. He doubled his stock and boasted about it.
A year later he spent his days for weeks on end driving his cows up and down the long paddock trying to save them from starving.
He virtually could not give them away, there was a long waiting list at the abattoirs. Not working with and appreciating nature does that to you.
One does not have work the land though, you can live on the top floor of a high rise in the centre of a city and still be more appreciative and knowledgeable of nature and its beauty than some greeny zealots, who never even have a chance to piss against a tree trunk, living their entire existence talking about saving nature but never visiting.
An other thing Gavin, stop referring to Gaia as some living caring being. You almost worshipping it.
Don’t know if you are a religious man but I tell you if you feel the need in your life for faith you would do better joining one of the old time religions.
Some even have pomp and ceremony, most have nice social gatherings, you’d enjoy that Gavin, and all you have to do is what you are doing now, have faith and believe!
Or if you don’t want real religion you can join the Uniting church, God doesn’t play a major role in their lives, they hardly acknowledge and seldom mention Christ and they firmly believe in AGW too. Would suit you right down to the ground.
But what ever you do Gavin, stop assuming that you are the only one knowing about and loving nature.
An other thing while I’m at it, I absolutely hate and am sick of hearing the word “unprecedented” describing any climatic event.
We have documented records for events worse than the current one and it’s still described as such.
Lets face it we have what, 500 years of reliable records if that?
And yet we have the nerve call any storm bush fire or other natural disaster as unprecedented.
Have a nice day.
"I read a theory that the north east of Oz was gaining sand naturally, while the south was losing it."
I think that is probably right Robert, but it shouldn't affect local SLs.
But reason-free religion is exactly what they're experiencing.