THERE is nothing new under the sun according to both the Bible and Shakespeare; and One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts would not purport to be the first to claim the atmosphere cools the surface of the earth that is warmed by the sun. He stated this in his maiden speech in the Australian parliament on Tuesday. Apparently perplexed by the concept, Guardian Australia's environmental reporter Michael Slezak, could have sought expert advice, but instead he rephrased the statement concluding that Roberts' was wrong because "the atmosphere is not freezing". Another journalist, Latika Bourke writing in The Sydney Morning Herald, was less inclined to provide her own expert commentary, instead simply concluding that this statement (that the atmosphere cools the surface of the earth that is warmed by the sun) places Roberts at odds with the world's leading scientific and research bodies including NASA, the CSIRO, and the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Image courtesy of the Guardian
Yet it is generally acknowledged that approximately 51% of incoming solar energy is absorbed by the land and oceans, and that winds will move heat around via convection such that some areas are cooled; then of course there is evaporation.
But did Slezak and Bourke assume Roberts meant something else with his statement, or do they really believe that because the atmosphere contains carbon dioxide it must be hotter than the earth? We ask this, because Roberts did go on to immediately state in his speech: "How can anything that cools the surface warm it? It can't." Given Roberts' professional training as an engineer, he would most likely have been referring to the second law of thermodynamics as originally formulated which states, heat can never pass from a colder to a warmer body without some other change, connected therewith, occurring at the same time. This is somewhat intuitive, yet the concept does appear at odds with IPCC science. How can anything that cools the surface warm it? It can't.
Indeed, one of the key arguments put forward by the IPCC and its supporting teams, is that half of the radiation from greenhouse gases (chiefly carbon dioxide and water vapour), is directed downwards (sometimes referred to as back radiation) causing warming of the earth's surface; and that this effect increases as the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide increases.
The IPCC mantra, which replaces any detailed scientific analysis of the spectral behaviour of these active gases, appears in the "scientific" section of the IPCC report AR4 (2007) and subsequently in the CSIRO's own report of that year, "Climate Change in Australia – 2007". The report simply states: "We believe that most of the increase in the global temperature during the latter part of the twenty first century, was very likely due to the increase in the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide."
Roberts made the point in his maiden speech that from the 1930's to the 1970's - during the period of the greatest industrialisation in human history when our carbon dioxide output increased greatly – atmospheric temperatures actually cooled for forty years straight. At least this cooling trend is evident in some unadjusted global temperature series, and this is at odds with the CSIRO and IPCC claim that temperatures were generally trending up during the 20th Century. Currently there is arguably an approximately 18 year pause in global temperatures, as measured by NASA's own UAH satellite-record of global temperature change in the lower atmosphere.
In fact, while not disputing that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, applying an alternative model to that used in IPCC science it is possible to show how an increase in carbon dioxide could cause global cooling.
The standard hypothesis has, at its core, the unproven assumption that the heat-energy absorbed by the increase in carbon dioxide distributed throughout the atmosphere, leads to re-radiation with half of this re-radiation directed downwards – such that the temperature of the earth's surfaces, both solid (land) and liquid (ocean), are increased. That the corresponding, increased, concentration in layers below those radiating, will simultaneously increase the re-absorption of such radiation, thus reducing the heating effect to an insignificant level, is ignored. Yet this is what calculations by university physicists and engineers shows, contrary to IPCC "science". In addition, the higherconcentration of this same energy in this region of denser greenhouse gas, will raise the temperature of the local air sample, giving rise to enhanced convection, an effect which leads, in general, to very slightly increased lateral winds, and thus increased surface cooling.
At high altitudes, the greenhouse gases provide the only mechanism for the radiation of heat from the atmosphere to space – the other main constituents of oxygen and nitrogen being unable to do so because of their electronic structures. At these heights, the rarefied absorbers, situated above the radiating layers, are less able to re-absorb the radiation which consequentially escapes to space, thus providing a mechanism of cooling for the earth. Yes, cooling.
Indeed, increases in the concentration of carbon dioxide in these strata of very low pressure, results in increased outwards radiation not balanced by the re-absorption! Hence increased carbon dioxide – ironic as it may sound to the lay person – will result in more efficient cooling of the earth. This was a point made perhaps too subtlety by Roberts, and clearly not understood by those reporting upon his maiden speech.
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This article was first published at On Line Opinion
Miker. No do not have but hare are some more charts from other sources and info about the smoothing.
"Variation since 1960 of global sea surface temperature (HadSST3), observed sunspot number (Solar Influences Data Analysis Center (SIDC), and Specific atmospheric humidity (g/kg) at 300 mb altitude (Earth System Research Laboratory (NOAA)). Base period: 1961-1990."
http://www.climate4you.com/Sun.htm
"Update: The correlation looks even stronger with the sunspot numbers smoothed at the length of the Earth-Venus cycle, 96 months. It also looks strong at around 82 months, half the length of the Jupiter-Uranus synodic period which coincides with flooding events, as noted by Ulric Lyons in comments"
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/interesting-correlation-sunspots-vs-specific-humidity/
The final sentences in Paltridge's reply to Dessler at Judith Curry's site , " there is still a lot of work to be done to establish just what the observations are telling us. The issue of the magnitude and sign of long-term water vapour feedback is far from resolved.".
Sounds a very sensible approach to me.
"I suspect Paltridge (unlike Jo) sensibly lacks confidence in his claims which were based solely on radio-sonde data ."
Can you point to where Garth expresses a lack of confidence in his claims?
Cohenite.
Yes, Jo Nova’s comments are, as always, “interesting “ . In this case her comments should be seen in the context of her preference for satellite derived global temperatures over temperature data sets that are derived by measurements from thousands of surface stations.
There are about 5000 surface stations that are used to generate global temperature. Similarly there are about 1300 radiosonde sites (http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/ois/volume-a/vola-home.htm) that are nearly all land based, with only a surprisingly low number of 15 ships, that launch radiosonde balloons . These ships are predominantly in the North Atlantic.
The radiosonde data are therefore highly weighted to the land are cannot be representative of the majority of the earth.
This is the likely reason why the data that includes satellite measurements differ from the radiosonde measurement that Paltridge used and why I suspect Paltridge (unlike Jo) sensibly lacks confidence in his claims which were based solely on radio-sonde data .
This a prime example of Jo Nova at work. Like any propagandist on either side of the debate, she will choose the data set that suits their current arguments and dismiss the other. With temperature it is the satellite data that is her preference and she (like Jennifer) disparages the surface data sets. In contrast, for water vapour, Jo will avoid using the satellite data and go with the more geographically limited radiosonde data.
Clearly consistency is not Jo Nova’s strong suit.
"OK, so this is where his ‘reality’ is located. IN a world where a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere equals a global warming forming of 1C"
Nope. I just used alarmism's criteria and parameters to show even by alarmism's standards the situation is not bad. In fact it's great, as good as it gets. But its your world not mine. Because while I think the current climate is as good as it gets it's nothing to do with humans.
typo sorry - global warming *forcing* of 1C
cohenite says
"So, the temperature increase from 2XCO2 is: (0.27)(3.7)=1C
Since CO2 has gone up by about 70% since 1900, we have about 0.3C warming left.
Are you watching miker?"
OK, so this is where his 'reality' is located. IN a world where a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere equals a global warming forming of 1C - this is cohenite's and I suppose his like minded friends core belief that ECS = 1C for a doubling of CO2.
do i have that correct, this is what cohenite, siggly, bob etc believe yeah?
To show this cohenite provides the 'empirical evidence' found in a few links and a bit of math to look somewhat 'authoritative.'
MikeR points out it's not. I guess anyone could do that if they wanted to check cohenites claims for ECS and the other sci-ency bits about spheres area, albedo, antarctic ice data tossed around like a garden salad.
Still I'm curious to know what it is that climate skeptics and deniers want to see happen.
Paltridge did a response at Jo Nova's as well; it is identical to what professor Curry published but has an interesting intro by Jo, who is no slouch:
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/11/dessler-2010-how-to-call-vast-amounts-of-data-spurious/#comment-125086
Garth is not getting any younger.
2 other interesting papers about whether SH is declining are:
1 Pierce et al:
http://meteora.ucsd.edu/~pierce/papers/Pierce_et_al_AIRS_vs_models_2006GL027060.pdf
This paper is also a bit long in the tooth but the last author is interesting.
2 A more recent paper showing a mixed bag with SH slightly increasing but RH decreasing is Isaac et al:
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00003.1
Any suggestion atmospheric water is increasing must be considered in the context of a decline in evaporation:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022169411007487
As to Miskolczi the 2 facts he presents are:
1 A constant OD
2 A decline SH
His critics don't address those nor does Spencer consider his 2004 paper.
Siliggy,
do you have a figure for the correlation coefficient for NCEP humidity versus sunspot number using the data shown? Does this number change when you use more recent data. Where does the NCEP dara come from? Is either of the curves smoothed? At what level of significance can you reject the null hypothesis i, e. Is this just a random correlation? Has the authors published this somewhere? If so can you provide a reference?